Japanese matting insight
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Japanese matting insight
In recent months I have been quizzed about what is my favourite filter media the answer now is the same as it was 12 years ago when I built my current pond and filter system “ Japanese matting” as it was intended for use namely a cartridge . For me and £ for £ nothing come close I have seen media come and go and nothing I have seen to date has made me want to rush out and change from my matting, its bullet proof I can throw anything at it and it copes and it’s a true free flow system that does not encourage the trapping od particulates and there is good reason for that but we will get to that in a moment
But also in recent months I have witnessed how dreadfully people get what is a real basic, cheap, fool proof concept monumentally wrong presumably working on the premise more is always better , the reality is less is more in this case. Even some dealers that design ponds for customers get it wrong trust me I have seen some right horror stories where there is that much matting stacked on top of one another it turns in to a giant koi poop strainer the knock on effect of this is you get water tracking as the rest blocks up and koi poop gets calcified
So what is the wrong way?
If you have it installed in either of the following configuration trust me you spent to much money on Japanese matting and are not getting the bio capacity of half this amount configured correctly
First the side draft system with vertical non spaced sheets
Next the updraft system with sheets stacked directly on one another with no spacing
Both of these systems earned the dealers extra cash (selling more matting than was required) and these finished units styled this way are themselves anaerobic power houses Giant turd traps and really not what’s required
Before we see how it should be made:
Pete Waddington bought Japanese matting to the UK it worked then and still works great now if you follow some basics
The cartridge when made must have square void spaces these are as important as the matting itself and is what makes it function
After initial settlement chambers most people still have suspended fines/particulates travelling through the bio system you don’t want these getting trapped and blocking the biological section with K1 this does not happen and when a Japanese matting cartridge is made right it does not/should not happen with J matting
The rule is what does not settle out in the settlement chamber you want it to go on right through the system where it hopefully will settle out next time it enters the settlement chamber hopefully we don’t use bio media for settlement
There are two grades of Japanese matting 35mm and 40mm as far as I know there is no difference in bio mass but which ever you employ be it 35 or 40 remember the voids should be 40 or 35 mm square so if we were using 40 mm looking down on the cartridge from the top every thing should measure 40mm the exposed sheet will obviously be 40mm the voids and upright spacers should measure 40mm square. The cartridge itself should be no more than 10 -12” deep
The original cartridges were made by interlocking the sheets, so you had to end up with everything measuring the overall thickness of the sheet
Below the traditional cartridge configuration
As stated the most important part is the void spaces without these the system does not function
The water obviously comes up fast through the voids , this has two important effects
First any remaining suspended particles get drawn to the faster current so they pass unhindered on the way back into the pond to hopefully settle out next time
Next the faster water travelling up creates a kind of vacuum or suction behind it this creates a slower flow THROUGH the matting and this water percolates up through the matting being treated by nitrifying bacteria as it goes
The following drawings should explain it better than I
This is basic engineering based on the fluid dynamics and utilising an updraft system
Last but not least don’t try to make a giant long updraft system figuring more is better again because as you will see from the next examples all that happens is the water will take the path of least resistance and go up through the first ¼ of the length leaving ¾ of the Bio stage redundant
So based on the principle of water will always find its own level ( again fluid dynamics ) we make the water travel where we want it to go buy blocking its path and creating weirs and up and over sections to utilise every square inch of surface area
So if you want to avoid this
Don’t do this XXX
Do this and get better bio filtration
But also in recent months I have witnessed how dreadfully people get what is a real basic, cheap, fool proof concept monumentally wrong presumably working on the premise more is always better , the reality is less is more in this case. Even some dealers that design ponds for customers get it wrong trust me I have seen some right horror stories where there is that much matting stacked on top of one another it turns in to a giant koi poop strainer the knock on effect of this is you get water tracking as the rest blocks up and koi poop gets calcified
So what is the wrong way?
If you have it installed in either of the following configuration trust me you spent to much money on Japanese matting and are not getting the bio capacity of half this amount configured correctly
First the side draft system with vertical non spaced sheets
Next the updraft system with sheets stacked directly on one another with no spacing
Both of these systems earned the dealers extra cash (selling more matting than was required) and these finished units styled this way are themselves anaerobic power houses Giant turd traps and really not what’s required
Before we see how it should be made:
Pete Waddington bought Japanese matting to the UK it worked then and still works great now if you follow some basics
The cartridge when made must have square void spaces these are as important as the matting itself and is what makes it function
After initial settlement chambers most people still have suspended fines/particulates travelling through the bio system you don’t want these getting trapped and blocking the biological section with K1 this does not happen and when a Japanese matting cartridge is made right it does not/should not happen with J matting
The rule is what does not settle out in the settlement chamber you want it to go on right through the system where it hopefully will settle out next time it enters the settlement chamber hopefully we don’t use bio media for settlement
There are two grades of Japanese matting 35mm and 40mm as far as I know there is no difference in bio mass but which ever you employ be it 35 or 40 remember the voids should be 40 or 35 mm square so if we were using 40 mm looking down on the cartridge from the top every thing should measure 40mm the exposed sheet will obviously be 40mm the voids and upright spacers should measure 40mm square. The cartridge itself should be no more than 10 -12” deep
The original cartridges were made by interlocking the sheets, so you had to end up with everything measuring the overall thickness of the sheet
Below the traditional cartridge configuration
As stated the most important part is the void spaces without these the system does not function
The water obviously comes up fast through the voids , this has two important effects
First any remaining suspended particles get drawn to the faster current so they pass unhindered on the way back into the pond to hopefully settle out next time
Next the faster water travelling up creates a kind of vacuum or suction behind it this creates a slower flow THROUGH the matting and this water percolates up through the matting being treated by nitrifying bacteria as it goes
The following drawings should explain it better than I
This is basic engineering based on the fluid dynamics and utilising an updraft system
Last but not least don’t try to make a giant long updraft system figuring more is better again because as you will see from the next examples all that happens is the water will take the path of least resistance and go up through the first ¼ of the length leaving ¾ of the Bio stage redundant
So based on the principle of water will always find its own level ( again fluid dynamics ) we make the water travel where we want it to go buy blocking its path and creating weirs and up and over sections to utilise every square inch of surface area
So if you want to avoid this
Don’t do this XXX
Do this and get better bio filtration
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Hi Duncan,
I find it amazing how some filter sets ups are incorrectly built due to misconceptions on how matting can or should be installed.Whilst out in Japan i even spoke to some breeders about this and not one single one said they could ever be used unless it was in a type of cartridge/free flow set up as otherwise they would just catch waste and cause tracking issues.When i explained that some used it n
I find it amazing how some filter sets ups are incorrectly built due to misconceptions on how matting can or should be installed.Whilst out in Japan i even spoke to some breeders about this and not one single one said they could ever be used unless it was in a type of cartridge/free flow set up as otherwise they would just catch waste and cause tracking issues.When i explained that some used it n
- t as a free flow system i got a few funny looks and the shaking head bit.
In the side/up draft installations i can see that this would be a good way of catching fines and keeping the water clear but i would not be happy personally as i would feel this would need regular maintenance and i personally would call this a mechanical part of a filter and not biological purely down to it is going to catch waste and in my mind anything which is not free flowing and catches waste if mechanical.
I think this could come down to the same old same old "it must be good look how clear the water is" which is such a misconception i would go for good water over clarity any day
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Gazza trust me go for the max amount in void spacings the unit will work great i cant think of anything better, if you wnna build a
n anerobic power house dont put the voids in
i have just decomissioned a pond for a mate he had three cubic meter fibre glass square chambers and when i took the matting sheets out he had enough to filter sea world but it was not doing enough to filter 1000 gallons the way he had it the fish crap had calcified in the matting not only that all that damn clay was in there as well it stank that bad i had to come away cuz the sulphide was making me feel sick yet his deal and him believed it was right and he was keeping it clean
i showed his wife and she would not set foot outside the back door after course the dealer thought it was great he made a fortune out of selling more sheets than the guy needed and was practical
dunc
n anerobic power house dont put the voids in
i have just decomissioned a pond for a mate he had three cubic meter fibre glass square chambers and when i took the matting sheets out he had enough to filter sea world but it was not doing enough to filter 1000 gallons the way he had it the fish crap had calcified in the matting not only that all that damn clay was in there as well it stank that bad i had to come away cuz the sulphide was making me feel sick yet his deal and him believed it was right and he was keeping it clean
i showed his wife and she would not set foot outside the back door after course the dealer thought it was great he made a fortune out of selling more sheets than the guy needed and was practical
dunc
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Hi Duncan,
Yes i know what you mean as i myself have seen this before and also what can happen when it all goes south which it can do once it gets built up to much.
So if we look at the setting up on a system which has matting incorrectly installed would i be right in saying that in the wrong conditions this could become a breeding ground and a nice hide out for the likes of Trichodina as they love a bit of dirt and waste
Yes i know what you mean as i myself have seen this before and also what can happen when it all goes south which it can do once it gets built up to much.
So if we look at the setting up on a system which has matting incorrectly installed would i be right in saying that in the wrong conditions this could become a breeding ground and a nice hide out for the likes of Trichodina as they love a bit of dirt and waste
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Duncan
your explanation of how the cartridge is actually constructed is something i have never seen or heard of before and i expect i am not alone in that. I HAVE seen a cartridge set up but i had assumed the pieces of matting in between the sheets were like battons just keeping the sheets apart, not realising that the sheets had been 'morticed' together.
i think you have just opened a lot of eyes on this and must be congratulated for what i think is a very important post. > 'STICKY'
i intend to totally revisit everything i have read about block-built/settlement filters and see if i can 're-learn' what i thought i already understood.
well done fella, and thanks.
Russell.
your explanation of how the cartridge is actually constructed is something i have never seen or heard of before and i expect i am not alone in that. I HAVE seen a cartridge set up but i had assumed the pieces of matting in between the sheets were like battons just keeping the sheets apart, not realising that the sheets had been 'morticed' together.
i think you have just opened a lot of eyes on this and must be congratulated for what i think is a very important post. > 'STICKY'
i intend to totally revisit everything i have read about block-built/settlement filters and see if i can 're-learn' what i thought i already understood.
well done fella, and thanks.
Russell.
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Re: Japanese matting insight
duncan
you have not mentioned aireation of the jap matt is this benificial or can it be used without any air
you have not mentioned aireation of the jap matt is this benificial or can it be used without any air
Re: Japanese matting insight
Intresting reading thank you Duncan.
Graham
Graham
Re: Japanese matting insight
hi guys
put the O2 down deep in the pond where its of real benefit to the fish and the water saturtaion going into the filters
i aerate the filters for no other reason that it may put a little more drawn on the void water flow( not much) and simply because i can
i am re-doing my filters soon becuase my cartridges are around 12 years old and they have turned more or less black
guess what my next media is going to be ?
yup the old J mat
dunc
yes mate in such conditions theis would be a bacterial generator and parasite havenGazza wrote:would i be right in saying that in the wrong conditions this could become a breeding ground and a nice hide out for the likes of Trichodina as they love a bit of dirt and waste
they originally started out that way but has been bastardised everyway you can imagine and then some since then the average way now is to use battons instead of interlock that way they dont have to put so many small voids in they can eploy wide battons and wide voids ( not as good ) but will work in a fashion plus this way every time you pull the batton system out guess what? yes it all falls apartbicolormoth wrote:your explanation of how the cartridge is actually constructed is something i have never seen or heard of before and i expect i am not alone in that. I HAVE seen a cartridge set up but i had assumed the pieces of matting in between the sheets were like battons just keeping the sheets apart, not realising that the sheets had been 'morticed' together.
i never mantioned it because its not got a direct bearing on the formation of the cartridge But FYI i aerate from the top becuase i dont want air disrupting the flow of fines below the matting cartridge and maybe driving these up into the matting itself , but personally i dont think you actually need O2 in the filters this is easy to test take all the air out of your filters and measure the oxygen from a sample of water entering the filters. record that, then take a measurement of Oxygen as it leaves the last chamber and record it if you cna see a difference i'll take it back. this is a real easy experiment the O2 demand from the bio system is not that great..fishy hands wrote:you have not mentioned aireation of the jap matt is this benificial or can it be used without any air
put the O2 down deep in the pond where its of real benefit to the fish and the water saturtaion going into the filters
i aerate the filters for no other reason that it may put a little more drawn on the void water flow( not much) and simply because i can
i am re-doing my filters soon becuase my cartridges are around 12 years old and they have turned more or less black
guess what my next media is going to be ?
yup the old J mat
dunc
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Thanks for sharing Duncan and very interesting....
So in the 12 years of having your Jap matting in-situ,have you ever cleaned it before? I'm guessing by the colour of it now probably not?
Col
So in the 12 years of having your Jap matting in-situ,have you ever cleaned it before? I'm guessing by the colour of it now probably not?
Col
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hi
They got blackened up by being 12 years mature with maybe 12 years of on and off chemical treatments and experiments that’s a long time mucka well they are not quite black but they are a long way from the colour they once were.. I clean the cart's every 6 months On 2 or 3 occasions I have lifted the carts out as an entire block to double check and there was just odd bits stuck in there nothing to break sweat over. Certainly non of that horrible brown crud but chambers are a little different as my carts are in 42" vortexes so i have a vortex motion going on under the cartridge as I have a 4” tangential entrance in each vortex therefore my carts are 42" diameter ( round) and 12" deep.
They got blackened up by being 12 years mature with maybe 12 years of on and off chemical treatments and experiments that’s a long time mucka well they are not quite black but they are a long way from the colour they once were.. I clean the cart's every 6 months On 2 or 3 occasions I have lifted the carts out as an entire block to double check and there was just odd bits stuck in there nothing to break sweat over. Certainly non of that horrible brown crud but chambers are a little different as my carts are in 42" vortexes so i have a vortex motion going on under the cartridge as I have a 4” tangential entrance in each vortex therefore my carts are 42" diameter ( round) and 12" deep.
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OK thank you.....
Col
Col
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visited a pond today fo0r other things but this guy had the perfect Japanese matting cartridge
read em and weep|! this is how utopia should be
dunc
read em and weep|! this is how utopia should be
dunc
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A good pic of a Japanese matting cartridge out of the chamber.
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Whats the best way to support the cartridge inside the chamber ?
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hi
well those plastic grids are as good as anything mine are supported by a shoulder i have cut into the top that rests on a ledge all around and near thye top of the chamber with some plastic poles across and under the matting
well those plastic grids are as good as anything mine are supported by a shoulder i have cut into the top that rests on a ledge all around and near thye top of the chamber with some plastic poles across and under the matting