Simply Koi and More Koi

Well, having seen all the attempts so far, I certainly am not feeling to confident with this one.

Finally got up to temperature, currently 18.6 and was thinking the dermo looked less angry, but having got the patient out today to inspect and decide to treat or not, found one blister had burst and the other still strong, do had to act.

As this is my first real attempt of this sort I am still not sure how successful the procedure will be and looking at the damage the dermo appears to have done to the ray itself I get the feeling its gonna come back... but time will tell there.

Hoping you may have other ideas Duncan, but the thing that surprised me was how little flesh covers the ray, and the webbing between is almost fibrous also, meaning removal of everything appears impossible.

Anyway, pics of the attempt as follows;-

Pic of the dermo before attempt to remove;-



Having cut around the dermo and lifted off the tail, I attempted to scrape as much off the ray, initial attempt as thus;-



Close up showing how the rays themselves look damaged by the dermo



I then made further attempts to scrape away what I could from the ray, attempted to cauterise the bleeding, with a cotton bud, but without much success using some old LFH treatment I had.

I then carefully applied 6% (had no 3%) HP carefully with a cotton bud, trying to burn out anything left of the dermo, followed by painting on Mercurochrome 2%, AND Orahesive Powder and Lock & Seal Plus to seal it all in.

Orahesive powder

Then Lock & Seal


Koi back in the pond, total treatment time 22 minutes.

Hoping I was early enough, but looking at the damage to the rays, not confident at all.

Mark

Hi Mark,

Well done mate that doesn't look a bad job and you can only work with the damage you have and it looks a tidy little job

Not sure if this helps but when i seal off a wound i will let the topical dry then and some lock and seal then powder and then blow off and more lock and seal over the top not and it seems to stay on for ages.

Gazza,

That will explain why mine looks to be coming off in places already then?

I will no doubt have her out again to inspect how its getting on, but obviously I dont fancy having to knock her out again to re-apply.....

She is already eating again, so fingers crossed....

Mark

Mark,

I actually think that looks a nice Job and you have done well and got nice and deep to remove as much as possible. I have no real life experience of removing this stuff but i from your pictures i am more confident with yours being effective than the last case we followed.

Fingers crossed for you mate.

Dunc - wondering if one of those cauterizing pens would be more effective in cases like this?

Hi Greg,

Funny enough i was making sure my med box is all to stock and checked my cauterizing pens and thought i wonder if this could burn out the dermo

hi guys

i agree a splendid job well done

i think anywhere else the cauteriser pen would do it but in this instance i think it may burn through the webbing

i am thinking silver nitrate with this if need be

dunc

Thanks for the positive comments guys.

Duncan, I will keep an eye on it, and if there is a hint of a return I shall be in touch to see how best to progress with the silver nitrate.

As you say Greg, fingers, and everything else crossed!

Mark

I have to agree you have done a good job there probably the most difficult place to treat dermo,I have treated it on the gill plate much easier to do.

Thanks Lee for the compliment, I am still struggling to type with fingers crossed

Koi is doing well, just waiting to see positive signs, ie no dermo after its healed!

Mark

Well done, Mark. My fingers are crossed for you too.

Obviously we will all be very interested in the outcome.

Paul T.

Hi Paul/Guys,

Well at the 'nearly a week' and currently not able to comment on results other than to say koi is fine, and healing over ok.

Only concern is that the healing isnt smooth and in backlight you can see a 'dark area' where the dermo was, in line with my guess its core deep this sort of infection.

Hoping I am wrong.

Mark

Mark,

I wouldn't jump in with panic just yet - in my short experience Chagoi tend to heal with dark patches anyway (or at least my one did) and they then correct themselves colour wise over time. I likened it to "bruising" although i realize this isn't a technically correct description.

Hi Greg,

Yes I remember a discussion over this 'chag bruising' when we last chatted, so hear what your saying although what I meant by dark patch was that in the transparency of the tail fin with sun backlighting it appears to be more 'dim' or opaque as to suggest a shadow over this area.

Hoping its excessive blood being pumped locally to heal, not the resurgence of the infection.

Mark

Hi Mark,

Yes slowly slowly lets give it time as i have found that some wounds do seem to "scab" for want of a better word over so this could just be the wound healing

Well, here is todays pic of the wound.

I am still not convinced.

Mark