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Paul

i have every confidence in your ability from what i have seen so far. its my ability to describe the proceedure im struggling with because it will involve taking a graft or (fillet for want of a better word) of skin localised to the dermo itself laying bare the Cartilage of the rays thus cutting **ALL** the dermo away if you feel you are up to this then fine the rest of the proceedure is easy you will need some cauterizer, oraheasive powder and lock n seal plus

dunc

Hello again.

OK, having read your post, I think I could have a go at this, assuming I understand correctly.

So, in my own (idiot style) words, this would involve cutting out the complete areas of dermo, slicing around and underneath the affected area, cutting right down to the rays in the tail. Then apply cauteriser, followed by orahesive powder, followed by lock n seal plus.

I have the lock n seal plus, orahesive powder is easily obtainable. I have a Lincs Fish Health cauteriser (unopened, but 10 years old) - unless you sell/recommend something that would be better?

I would need some advice on the quantity of cauteriser to apply, otherwise this doesn't sound too bad, I don't think. I can of course arrange for one's photographer to document this.

Cheers
Paul T.

this may explain better, looking down on the tail (plan view)

the ten year old cauteriser will be better ( its thicker)

lay a light smear of cauteriser in the wound, lay oraheasive on that and seal

repeat on the isolated infection

any questions holla

dunc

Thank you for the diagrams, these explain perfectly. I understand what is required.

I have a few bits to get hold of, if I can pick these up quickly I will attempt this on Saturday.

Cheers
Paul T.

Hi Guys,

How about that a picture speaks a thousand words and now you can see all thats needed Paul and good luck with the fish.

Not sure what you need but give me a shout of i can help as we are local

Thanks, Gazza. I picked up a couple of bits that I needed last night, just leaving the Orahesive powder to get hold of - it seems my local Chemist doesn't stock it, so its off to the 'Koi shop'. I will let you know how Saturday goes.

Cheers
Paul T.

hi Paul

your local chemist shopuld get it in for you overnight

none of my chemists stock it either but they all get it there on the next delivery price around 4quid

dunc

That's worth knowing, thanks - I will have another go on the way home.

Cheers
Paul T.

Hello all,

I had a go at this on Saturday. It seemed to go OK, in fact in many ways it was more straight forward than the previous 2 treatments, and took less time. My main concern is whether I cut deep enough to remove all the infection. Perhapds the cauteriser will take care of that? I cut deep enough that I could feel something 'hard' underneath the scalpel. Hopefully the pictures will allow Duncan and others to comment on whether I have performed the task as was intended and as it should have been done.

The fish came around and was eating again after just a couple of hours.

All being well, I will sort out the pictures and post them this coming Saturday, along with an after 7 days observation and picture.

Cheers
Paul T.

Hi Paul,

Hopefully you have gone deep enough s they may of been the rays you could feel as you run the scalpel through.

Look forward to seeing the pictures and with a bit of luck some improvement as the week continues.

This is getting beyond a joke...my 4th attept to make this post...

Hi all,

I've managed to sort out some images.......sorry but there's quite a few (split to 2 posts)! I'll comment in the captions. Of course I welcome anyone's thoughts.

Have I carried this out as was intended? Anything I should have done differently? Will it do the job? I will continue to post updates (perhaps every fornight.)

Hope the images are of interest.

Paul T.

Continued...

I think I've finally got there.

Hi Paul

Well done; an excellent set of pictures, I am keeping my fingures crossed.

One point worth noting is that, in other fish species, even when they are recovering spontaneously, secondary bacterial infection is a major problem so keep a look out for any signs of secondary infection.

I also noticed doing some reading that this "fungus" (has hyphae and is spread by spores) is often spread by frogs.

Peter

Pau

nice job mate with nice neat work, but alas im not sure you got it. i,ll reserve judgment for another week but i think, at least i think i can see noduals of this coming back in the cell regeneration /granulation/Epithelial cell migration call it what you will , within the epithelium.

this was my fear as obviously nothing is killing these where as it usually does so its obviously well intrenched

this is why wanted to do it

but give it a week, this poor fish is going through the wringer its gone frm a fight for a cure to a fight for survival now i fear

dunc

Hi Dunc,

I was wondering if they was still there and how far you can actually go when cutting into the tail and is it one of those jobs that if you don't get it all out it will just continue to be a problem