dermocystiduim

[pepsi]

I have been reading ,with alot of interest,about this terrible (virus)/disease,
and with all the treatments which have been tried and tested on it, has any one
treatment,stood out as the best ,and dose anyone think they know a cure for it.
thanks for the info....Barry

[Duncan]

hi barry

when its been on a gill plate which is its prefered site i have had good success because i can cut it out and grind the plate away with a small dentist drill till every trace has gone , this may take several attempts but i have usually won through

but this is the first attempts on soft tissue as it were so early days

dunc

[pepsi]

thanks Duncan.... the reason i,m asking is because, a friend of mine from our koi club, has lost 8 koi so far, with something very similar , or the same thing, he's tried M/F ...PP...C/T...Salt and Baytril injections(not all at the same time)I have asked for some photo's , but he has not sent me any yet. Thanks for all your help....Barry

[boogatee]

I didn't know Dermo was fatal .... unsightly, yes! but I didn't know it was fatal.

How does this virus kill?

[Duncan]

hi chris

as with all thing like this even pox when it gets bad enough it places such a burden/load on the fish secondary infections set in that poxed up fish of mine is a prime example and it simply gave up the ghost and there was not a thing i cvould do to help

this was a case of Charles Darwin being in the Driving seat

[boogatee]

Dunc, about here I say - yes, but?? ..... whilst I'd always agree that there is an exception to every rule, I'd propose that in the main it's not a killer and subject to it being a healthy koi to begin with, living in a healthy environment, it will survive dermo and death is the exception not the rule. Specially widespread death - no offense meant to anyone - eight koi lost to dermo, I'd start looking at the environment.

With respect to the kohaku - different situation - an internal bacterial infection debilitates the koi and once it gets to the point of no return the immune system just rolls over irrespective of external intervention.

ps... I also don't think the problem was the pox, I think the pox was just an indication of the weakened immune system.

I hope you're enjoying my rebuttal, it's making me use my grey matter .. ;o))

[Duncan]

hi Chris

no problem mate i like folks who flex that muscle

i would not argue with you my answer was a general one and not really related to the case above i agree with you there is no way on this planet that guys lost 9 fish to dermo but and this is my but

dermo is like a cancer althoug we dont class it as a killer it will progress till thats the only thing the biological signs of the fish can support just as any parasite with this it either runs out of steam or not if it runs out of momentum the koi lives if it does not the koi will die it cannot sustain anything spreading like this indenfinatly

next we come to my point of secondary vectors

if burst into you house and shoot you, they arrest me and rush you off to hospital upon where the doc's manage to save your life from the gun shot wound and your out of danger but two days later you die of complications like MRSA or something similar.. Your just as dead and i will still be charged still with your murder, because i put you in a situation that you did not need to be in

many people have HIV throught out the world and HIV is classed as a killer anyone unlucky enough to be diagnosed with HIV knows what the prognosis is, although HIV itself does not do the killing?

if you step on a nail and die of tetanus whats the killer?

in koi health as in human health nothing is clear cut but its good to think it out

dunc

[boogatee]

if you step on a nail and die of tetanus whats the killer?

point taken ... dead is dead

[Gazza]

I blame the plonker that left the nail in the wood

On a serious note like many types of virus they can take hold so fast that anything including opportunistic parasites or bacteria will just gang up and cause havoc so i think a lot of times people will think it is one thing that killed their fish when perhaps its something else.

[tomy2ponds]

Hi I can remember a few years ago Duncan telling me no matter how good someone is at treating Koi if the koi has lost the will to live regardless of what we do it wont survive.