Follow on from Dermocystidium thread

[Mattybkic]

Hi Duncan

As from the post, this is a photo of my fish during treatment of my bacterial infection.

The tail fully heald and the fish is doing great now. (sorry been struggling to resize picture on my 1990's laptop, may have to wait until next week at work), sorry!

Would look forward to Duncan commenting how with a Bacterial Infection it has now fully healed, but maybe the same sort of damage with Dermocystidium may end differently.

Many thanks

Matthew

[Gazza]

Hi Mathew,

Where is the picture

[Mattybkic]

Hi Gazza

I tried last night but it's too big as they have saved on my laptop to Adobe Photoshop. Have tried resizing with no joy.

Going to try and resave in a different format for correct size.

If anyone can do some computer magic, please do

[Gazza]

Hi Mathew,

Send me the picture if you like i will have a go:

gary@glmsystems.co.uk

[tomy2ponds]

Hi Matt I have reduced the photo size but it's just to blurry sorry to say

[Mattybkic]

Thanks Guys

Gary have sent you the picture by email.

Thanks and catch you this evening (out with the family for the arvo).

Cheers

Matthew

[Gazza]

Here we go

[Gazza]

Hi,

If you can get on top of a bacterial infection before it goes to then there is no reason that the fish will not full heal and repair back to normally as long as its in good water and treated correctly.

Well done as you say the fish is back to normally can you give us a run down on how you treated

[Mattybkic]

Thanks Gaz

Yes but it will take a long time, but in the main was at the end down to Lee and Steve (Joso) giving the correct advice I should have had in the beginning. When it all started I did call my local club, but I won't tell you the advice I was given it will amke you cringe

Where do I start?

* Ok had 5 fish in my QT for one of my Clients (Construction) to rehome for 3 months and my 20 in my main pond.
* My fish had been in my newly completed 13,000 Gallon pond for now over 4 months.
* Bought my 1st Koi (Gin Rin Kohaku) for 4 years at South East Show (Swanley) from the same business that I had bought most of my fish from and put it straight into my main pond. He was my trusted supplier and I had no reasons why I shouldn't.
* After a couple of weeks the new GRK showed signs of a bit of dropsy, now September and no heaters connected to my system.
* Me and a friend done a scrape on this and 3 others who all proved positive for parasites. Unfortunately as this was a 1st for me and due to my lack of experience mis diagnosed Tricodeana for Costia. Stupid I know
* Salt bathed all my fish fish and put them all into my matured QT. Now visulise this, I've treated the fish with the wrong treatment and they are now overloading my QT and mature filter, and being fed food with antibiotics in for around a month.
* After a while and having obvious higher ammonia and nitite (the antibiotics are now knocking my mature filters back) and my eldest fish a Ghosty developed dropsy and what I now know is a secondary BI, so I got a local fish vet out. Started adding salt to help also and he showed my how to inject and supplied me with needles Batryl etc. At this point no diagnosis of a BI, so my work wasn't doing anything with the cause
* From here for around 3 moths I started losing fish on a regular cycle, was injecting with Batryl (as at the time wasn't a member of any Forums, so no good advice or anyone to call upon) and not treating the secondary Bacterial Infection (which I again still wasn't aware of).
* After losing more fish and having my Ghosty put to sleep my vet took some scrapes and sent them off to a lab, the news back after around 7 days was Aeromonas Hydrophilia and A. Sobria.
* The fish what were left now had heat and I stabilised the Ammonia problem which was just adding to the vicious circal.
* I accidentally fell into Heat Ramping at the same time of the bacterail infection was diagnosed and now injecting with the toxic Gentamicin. At this point I still haven't treated the QT or filters (crazy now I know what I should have done). Lost my Chag on Xmas day then my favourite Showa on Boxing Day. Spoke with my vet and he said that he had no answer and he thought it would be best to put the last few to sleep
* As I say I fell into Heat Ramping and then googled the word and found Pondpals and then met Tommy2Ponds and Steve,
* From here on and after 10's of injections I was down to 6 fish from 26.
* Now getting the proper advice and shown how to inject properly including aneasthatising then (yes you're right all the previous injections were done by holding the fish with another pair of hands) Crazy and I was putting my poor fish through unecessary stress!
* Steve gave me the confidence I required as well all the correct meds and from the photo (which Gaz helped me with) the last few had fin and tail rot as well as body ulcers.
* So after months of hell and probably over a 100 injections and now cleaning and topically treating the fish, I managed to beat the Bacterial Infection and got 4 through it.

Hope the above is clear and my experience is shown to others not how to do it. Then again that shouldn't be the same as me, as people are on here and will get the advice I never ever got in the begining or middle, but thanks to T2P's and Steve (Joso) did in the end.

So looking at the previous picture, the fish is now fine and the tail is totally healed (including the rays). Also a small showa that had loads of issues which included the dorsal fin badly rotted and the leading rays sticking out, he too has now heald.

So I got there in the end, but to the detriment of my fish, and maybe more would have survived if only I had found Forums in the beginning?

Thanks to everybody who has helped me

Matthew

[Gazza]

Hi,

Blimey you have been through the wars mate and glad you come out the other side OK and although it must of been a bad time and very stressful but one thing to take from it is you will have found out many techniques and how to correctly handle and treat fish.

[Mattybkic]

Thanks Gaz

Yes tell me about it.

I did think about giving it in just after Xams, but am so glad that I haven't and beat the BI.

Glad to be on here and have learnt quite a bit already reading similar experiences.

Thanks Duncan

[Gazza]

Hi Matthew,

One of the main things with this type of bacterial infection is getting on top and fast as if it takes hold you've got trouble as you well know

Depending on how bad it is i would cut away as much as possible so we have good clean healthy sections and a good treatment and seal then some heat and good dose of CT and possibly antibiotic injection and of course going into a set up which can deal with this situation and keep great water quality.

[Mattybkic]

Hi Gazza

Yes agreed.

Just am so impressed how the tail has grown back. Also the dorsal and pec fin on the showa is very impressive too.

I never ever thought that the regrowth would be so good. Another Koi friend from another Forum came round and helped me do some changes when I relocated the 4 survivors to another QT, even he couldn't tell where the rot had been - so amazing how well they heal and in such a short space of time.
Looking at the picture I would have thought back then that it would have just healed over, not the way it looks now.

I will have soon take other pictures of all the fish how they are now, to show you what I'm refering too - post them on as before and afters.

Thanks for your replies

Cheers

Matthew

[Geoff9]

Hi Matthew
Good post,sorry for your losses,but it shows how resilient koi are if given the correct treatment and so rewarding to see them come out the other side.

Regards Geoff

[tomy2ponds]

Hi Matt always happy to pass on what I have learned and help when possible,you forgot to mention you have now found Cuttlebrook Koi and now have some nice small ones growing on